[Pierre Samoske]

Hello.

I see so many accidents. So many drivers, not staying in their line, if they race side by side. So many drivers, which just don't drive careful.

3 Years ago, I raced in iRacing. In iRacing the people are driving much more respectful. Why it is like this? I am thinking about that very often.

Well, I believe, that has something to do with the incident score, which isn't that important in SRS. I should take a more important role.
Like "If u don't have that score, u can't join that race".
The IncScore should classify drivers. But, additionally to the average IncScore there should be a "current IncScore", which is an average of the e.g. past 20 races. To make it easier to clear, what u did in the past long time ago.

Or a calculated combination of Rating and IncSore. Something like that, I don't know.

What do u guys think about fulfilling prerequisites in IncScores/RatingScore for being able to join a race?


Regards
Pierre

[Jay Gabriel]

I think the best thing we, the SRS members, should do is send in more "Protest videos". Some people's actions deserve an outright Ban, most just need to be warned that dive-bombing from 2 car lengths back, sliding your car sideways and door-slamming the car in front off the track, is NOT ACEPTABLE. (in any form of racing league, anywhere in the world, real life or sim racing)
 There is a member here the has a post about all the Protests he has done. I read it and thought, I'd hate to race against this guy, one slight mistake and he'll report me. But maybe that's what we need, right now too many of us don't want to ruin someone else's fun, by protesting them, BUT they don't seem to mind ruining our fun.
 In my experience, these types of drivers don't feel they did anything wrong and get very arrogant about the incident. 
 The biggest problem with your idea is, fast "Hot Lappers" who can't race with another car on the track, can and will start up front and win races. Getting them a good rating, but they will also get a lot of incident points because they will hit everybody around them, because they can't race.
 Anything that SRS does, involving incident points, will affect the innocent driver that gets slammed, except for a filing a valid protest.
 Of course SRS will need more trusted admins to review the protests, right now the 20min races are almost a last-man-standing (Wreckfest) event. The only way to clean up the racing is to get these drivers in check. They need to receive  a "warning", "suspension" or for the most deserving of them, a "ban". The only way that will happen is by using the protest form. 
 It doesn't take long to do, once you figure out how its done. You could finish a 20min race, save the replay, register for the next session at the top of the hour, make your protest video, post it and submit your protest to the "SRS Protest Form" and be ready for the Join button to the next race.

[Sergio Mendez]

Hi Pierre,
It's a recurring topic that we usually have talked about. I suggest you to take a look to these threads if you wish to!

https://www.simracingsystem.com/showthread.php?tid=9464
https://www.simracingsystem.com/showthread.php?tid=6423
https://www.simracingsystem.com/showthread.php?tid=9185
https://www.simracingsystem.com/showthread.php?tid=9170
https://www.simracingsystem.com/showthread.php?tid=8686

[Simon Meisinger]

I agree, but: iRacing is popular enough for people to pay money for it.

They join iRacing because they are willing to spend time in lower tier races to be able to race the "big boy cars" in a couple of months or even a year. They know they'll get there when they behave well on the track.

SRS isn't popular enough for that though. You either let people join the races they want to take part in or they don't join at all.

[Pierre Samoske]

Yeah, and it's the way the incident system works. It just count the touches. It's a problem of AC, I think. AC doesn't offer velocitiy values or similar values, which are necessary to find out, who causes what.
If someone touches ur back end and makes u spinning, u come out of this with maybe 10 incident points, when following cars crash into u. Altough u made no mistake...

Sometimes its difficult to save a replay, cause of the short wait time on the SRS server after a race. If u missed to leave as soon as possible, the server resets and u cant save the replay of the race anymore.

[Simon Meisinger]

You should use Content Manager, it automatically saves your replays. And that's just one of its minor features.

https://assettocorsa.club/content-manager.html

[Martin Smith]

I agree, but: iRacing is popular popular enough for people  to pay money for it.

They join iRacing because they are willing to spend time in lower tier races to be able to race the "big boy cars" in a couple of months or even a year. They know they'll get there when they behave well on the track.

SRS isn't popular enough for that though. You either let people join the races they want to take part in or they don't join at all.

This is why SRS should use incident rating to split drivers into separate servers, instead of excluding them completely.
If there's more signups than available slots, split the worst incident average into the lower server. Yes, it will make the field less competitive than spliting based on performance rating, but you will retain more participants because people will be less frustrated by the crashers. It would more than balance out IMO.

The neat part of this idea is that is doesn't prescribe a hard limit for 'safety'rating. Just the worst incident drivers for each event get split away, regardless of whether it's a field of very clean drivers or very dangerous drivers. That way everyone has an incentive to always reduce their incidents, instead of just aiming for an incident rate number and then never improving.

The idea of using incident rating to clean up the racing is a suggestion that keeps coming back over and over but I suspect that if a million monkeys on a million typewriters made the exact same request for a million years, it would probably not happen. But on the upside, they'd accidentally write the complete works of Shakespeare, so that's cool.

[Traian Olinescu]

Fair point! But as long as an incident counts even when someone crashes into you, i see no way this will move forward. 
I just rage quit my first race, it is prob. the 4th or 5th time that this has happened. 
On the start line the dude in front reacted too soon, we bumped (1). Then in the first corner at mosport, I kept the outside line, some dude smashed into me(2), then i smashed into the outside wall(3), then a guy going sideways smashed into me (4), then i got back on the track and someone hit me from the side (5, this btw i think was prob. also my fault), then i spun out and hit the wall (6), then i got back on track and got hit by 3 other cars (7,8,9). 

This is just ridiculous! I mean i don't even know what strategy to take anymore. Inside line is suicide, and outside line is fucked by the inside guys jumping around. 

I race motorcycles and we always have safety issues on grid starts, too bad AC can't do flying starts!


PS:
Incident at around the 12 minute mark

https://youtu.be/fNRvZ_VZlsY

[Russell Sobie]

Firstly, you might want to edit your post. There's a zero tolerance for incident discussion on the forums.

Secondly, the strategy you should use is to race as well as you can and if someone boots you off the track early on, enjoy playing a much more advanced version of the arcade game "Pole Position" where you are way faster than most of the cars in front of you. Get your race craft practice in passing other drivers! It's actually quite fun. I sometimes WISH people bork up early in the first couple of laps so I have to challenge myself. Everyone knows I can't beat the aliens on here so my ego gets a boost passing the less experienced drivers cleanly and safely. Everyone wins!

[Martin Smith]

Fair point! But as long as an incident counts even when someone crashes into you, i see no way this will move forward. 
I just rage quit my first race, it is prob. the 4th or 5th time that this has happened. 
[EDITED]
This is just ridiculous! I mean i don't even know what strategy to take anymore. Inside line is suicide, and outside line is fucked by the inside guys jumping around. 

I race motorcycles and we always have safety issues on grid starts, too bad AC can't do flying starts!


PS:
Incident at around the 12 minute mark

[EDITED]

Yep, take Russell's advice.

But there is no game in existence that assigns blame in an incident, except through a protest system. Yet at the end of the day the more crash-prone drivers end up with a higher incident average than safe drivers, (with the exception JayGabs mentioned). So in the long run the incident metric is meaningful, and can be put to good use.

As for others crashing around you, sometimes you can smell an incident taking shape before it happens. Try to leave yourself 'outs', rather than looking for opportunities to pass. Especially at the start. Especially Mosport and Monza.