[Jaroslav Černý]

I think the solution to the surprise 1 hour races with 20 minute Qualifying is to just not have them at all unless the series is 1 hour races every week. I typically won't bother joining 1 hour races for a number of reasons, and a couple of times I've accidentally registered for one not reading the fine print, and ducked out after 20-30 minutes of racing until it inevitably turns into hotlapping all alone. I'd rather have 6 weeks of 20 minute races in the series that I want to participate in, instead of 5 weeks of one way and then 1 week being a pretty big departure from the norm (especially if tires and/or fuel on the particular car require a pit strategy of which I have no interest in coming up with).

I do agree that if you don't actually finish the vast majority of a race you shouldn't get any points. How do other leagues calculate that? Do you just have to cross the finish line after Final Lap is shown? Do they actually look at your gap from 1st and it has to be within some threshold? I don't care what the method is... but I think you should at the very least finish HALF the lap the leader did to get anything. If not 90%.

I'm not sure how pro leagues do that, but you could probably look it up on rF2 WEC or what decent leagues are there nowadays. I have old PDF regulation files somewhere but probably lost on dead harddrive. It used to be something around 75-90% of race completion required to get any points. So for a 33 lap race and 90% limit you would have to do 30-33 laps to get points, 29 and below no points. Or it was based on time on track, that's another option. Trying to look it up, here is one of the teams I remember and they sometimes show up racing in AC:

O. Official Classification and Championships
1.
All drivers which start a Genuine Racing GT1 Challenge race will be classified in the
results and given points, provided that they finished at least 75% of the race distance.
Completing less than 75% of the race distance will result in you getting DNF points
only and not being classified among the other cars that did complete the minimum
distance. The only case in which a driver does not score any points is if he gets
disqualified, then that driver is placed behind all others in the results and will receive
no points.

...

3.
Championship points are awarded on the following scale:
1st - 250 points
2nd - 225 points
3rd - 210 points
...
60th -  18 points
61st -  16 points
62nd -  14 points
DNF under 75% - 5 points
Pole Position - 5 points (both servers)

Source: http://www.ready2rollteam.com/leagues/rules.php
http://ready2rollteam.com/leagues/docume...les_V3.pdf

VII.
Classification and Points
1.
All entrants which start a session shall be listed in the session results.
1.
Attending a session but not joining the track for even a partial out lap shall be considered
a “Did Not Start”
2.
Entrants participating in a race session shall be classified as follows:  By laps completed
then time; or time, as appropriate.  All entrants who start and are not disqualified will be
ordered without considering current race status.  Any entrant who is disqualified will be
placed behind all other starters.   Any entrant who does not start will be listed as such
behind all other entrants who started the session.
3.
Entrants who enter the circuit during any other session type will be listed in the result; no
other entrant will be listed in the session result.
2.
All series shall follow a common points issuing scheme.  Specific point allocations may vary
by series.
1.
Any driver or team which starts a race shall be eligible for points, provided both of the
following conditions are met:
a.
The driver or team completed 75% or more of the race leader's laps (or class leader,
where applicable), and
b.
The driver or team is not disqualified from the race
2.
The 75% calculation shall be done with actual laps completed, disregarding any lap
deductions.
3.
A driver or team is eligible for bonus points and participation points as defined on a per
series basis regardless of distance completed, provided that the driver or team was not
disqualified.

I guess it used to be 75%. This is from NDR, they used to run PRO and sometimes AMAteur leagues. The difference between PRO and AMA was kind of defined by what you participated prior and I guess you results as well, probably could be looked up in the rules. And sometimes rules do include that if your/teams-average performance is outside 103.5-105% pace you may not be able to join the race and often there was a practice/prequalification to sort people/teams out, so I guess you could try PRO series but it doesn't make much sense without at least some prior experience.

Source: http://newdimensionracing.com/sportingcode

You can find some teams listed in these stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...dget=false

VIII.Official Classification
1.All drivers and cars which start an LFSCART race will be classified in the results and given points, provided that they complete 75% or more of the race distance and are not disqualified

Source: http://newdimensionracing.com/lfscart/rules

http://mastersofendurance.eu/ (seems to have moved to iRacing as they finally added driver swapping, something Kunos can't be bothered to do for years and kills leagues and any endurance racing that way) And so on if you look at LFS forum. On AC forum... I never saw anything close to this kind of level when it comes to leagues. The closest so far was https://www.reddit.com/r/acrl/ but even from that I know people moved away (I think to WEC rF2 for the most part). But there do seem to be decent rules there too https://www.reddit.com/r/acrl/wiki/rules and plenty guides for fair racing and setups. Though I can't see a distance limit or any points for that matter, it must be there somewhere though how points are awarded.

75% distance used to be a norm.

That would mean for a 33 laps race: 25+ laps have to be completed to get points otherwise you get DNF points or none etc. You don't need to finish the race as in you could do 25 laps, flip it over on a roof = forced to retire but you should still get full points and not DNF points only, though it may depend on other fine print, but I think it used to be that way.

75% is not that difficult to complete.

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A full schedule with all times and durations should be published for any series when that series is announced so that people can see what they are getting into, I too thought it's 20min races with 10min qualification for all races as well as the DTM races are that way, I did see the next Okayama race is 1 hour but I still can't find and have no idea what the next races are beside the immediately listed upcoming race. This makes it impossible for people to make their racing schedule and results in unforeseen series collisions.

I do think 20min is a bit short for most cars, for DTMs it's OK they were ran that way and tyres last only that much. For AE86 Tuned 1h is nice as for first 15-30 min you are usually locked into a field of cars and unable to go anywhere, stuck behind cars, hell even longer if the driver performances are similar. I've had 6 hour race before and was fighting for finish line with defending an overtake. So race length does not really matter much when it comes to fun and competition, having a field of good drivers is what is important and you can fight for hours if many are able to run similar fast pace.