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Cheating accusation against SRS user - simracingsystem - 09-14-2017 I will start this clarification post by saying that all complains against other drivers should be done using the protest form! There are several reasons why things should be done that way but the most important one, is that we take SRS seriously! We provide a good service and expect nothing less than your best behaviour inside and outside the tracks. No need to remind you all that we are the Judges here and that your task ends when you submit the protest! There were several reports on SRS chat of a strange occurrence on the Porsche GT3 Cup held saturday 09/09/2017 20:00 GMT that led into a post made by Marek Vons accusing another driver of cheating. This post was immediately hidden for the reasons mentioned above. Cheating is one the most, if not the most, serious charges that someone can be accused of. We have all agreed to use our names, so another good reason to do things the right way. The driver accused of cheating was Greg Daniels. I will now expose the facts and in the end, I'll include the original post from Marek (without links to softwares, individuals or companies that destroy what we do here every day) and Gregs response to the charges. Note that this will never happen again, this only being done because there is no other alternative other than clarify this publicly. Facts Marek and other drivers noticed that during the race, Greg was gaining time even though he was driving slower or sometimes at the same pace as them. In the end of the race, Greg won with more than 2 mins of advantage to Johnny Verhoeff, second position. [attachment=64] More, the sum of Gregs laptimes gives a total finish time that would place him in third position. aprox: 1:02:28 So, in Gregs PC he was doing the right laptimes but everyone else was seeing him accelerated. It is clear that something wasn't right and the possibility of cheating was real even though it would a very stupid kind of cheat. Gregs response to the accusations Greg refuted the accusations. He also made his computer available for any check that we would find necessary. Simraces since 2010 and is an admin of SimRacing-Maniacs and has never been accused of such charges. His laptimes were similar to the ones made on the race the day before. We have checked his iRacing career, it's legit, and we did not found suspicious events on his simracing career either. Possible causes Cheating is always an explanation for what happened... Another possibility is that it was caused by server problems. We have seen this in first hand, several episodes of wierd behaviour including losing laps and changings on the final standings. Even though it would be the first time we see something like this during a full race, I can't say it is impossible to happen... Veridict Greg will be placed third place on that race. Accusation is dropped. Benefit of the doubt is applied. This case is closed. Mareks Post (09-09-2017, 10:09 PM)Marek Vons Wrote: Hello guys, some interesting thing for today, have a nice reading. Gregs Response simracingsystem Wrote:Greg Daniels, RE: Cheating accusation against SRS user - Marek Vons - 09-14-2017 I just wanted to say, that you didnt show any proof, that it could be on server side. I never saw something like that here in SRS or even in Assetto Corsa online servers, so at least I would like to see some proof about this theory, that it could be because of the server... I added not one, but many proofs why I think there was something more, something what could be called cheating, everything from that is described in my post mentioned above.. ..and then I found a time to make this video with commentary: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/174721023 I still dont understand, that Greg was in real doing lap times of 1:30, and his best lap in the race from the server is 1:32. From what I found on the internet about the cheating software, it is possible to accelerate your car and then freeze the time so it will be showing slower times. And why would that happen only to one guy, no one else.. Not saying that I am 100% right, but I am still sticking more to my theory, just check the video.. RE: Cheating accusation against SRS user - Lino Carreira - 09-14-2017 Marek, i had 2 wins that ACSERVER tranformed in 18th places because of failure on my connection, during race i battled People and on last lap all of a sudden i crossed the Finnish line and yet Race didn't finished for me... on my side was saying that i was going to enter on the 11th lap and yet on server side i was only entering 9th.... this doesn't prove anything except that connection issues, sometimes cause unexpected results and weird behaviors. PS: and i was visible and saw all others during the 10 laps, go figure just saying RE: Cheating accusation against SRS user - Jozef Blascak - 09-14-2017 can someone explain this? https://www.twitch.tv/videos/174721023 RE: Cheating accusation against SRS user - Marek Vons - 09-14-2017 Yeah, can be, but I think that this is different.. and still, no one answered to the video i made today. I dont think that it was possible like that... it didnt really looked like your situation. And the times he did in reality are not shown in results etc., making 1:30 but server says 1:32... only him, no one else, never before, only now and only him... interesting. Also his car on the replay looks very different when you check how it holds on the road Replay HERE Video HERE RE: Cheating accusation against SRS user - Joe Blow - 09-15-2017 I personally would blame the connection/server for an error. A couple of weeks ago at Spa in the Dallara I overtook 2 guys on the long up hill after eau rouge. At the end of the straight I was well past, but I was hit from behind as I turned into the right hander. I received an official warning from SRS admin after a complaint from the driver who ran into my back end. According to him I turned into him. So I've experienced first hand how people in the same race can see different things on their screen. RE: Cheating accusation against SRS user - Almor R Sousa - 09-15-2017 Even though i never had these problems in AC, I had a similar problem in Dirt 3 online where i was twice as fast as my oponents on my pc but worked well on my laptop. Never found out why. Also, whoever cheats in SRS is just sad ... why would you ? There's absolutely nothing at the end of the tunnel ... i find it hard to believe that anyone would cheat in SRS. RE: Cheating accusation against SRS user - Ángel Alcaniz - 09-15-2017 Yeah Joe, because you've never made a mistake, it's always technical issues... LOL RE: Cheating accusation against SRS user - Joe Blow - 09-15-2017 On September 12th in the 2nd Dallara race at Silverstone I finished in 1st place.... some of my mates watched the live stream... at the end of the race the live stream podium graphics came up, clearly showing me in 1st and 3rd, with the Italian flag next to my name. Of course, the results in SRS showed the correct result.... but if you believe every little glitch you see, then it would mean I could be accused of spoofing my IP address to appear in Italy, manipulating AC to get 1st and 3rd in the same race. All that Marek has proved is a discrepancy between the replay and results, which has been adjusted and corrected by SRS admin. To accuse a guy with Greg's reputation as a racer is crazy... he would protect that reputation at all cost. SRS admin have accepted it is a server issue, so there should be an apology for the accusation. RE: Cheating accusation against SRS user - Marek Vons - 09-15-2017 Another occurrance of Greg´s wrong times comparing the race results and calculating the times. It happened in this race: LINK Here is the google document with calculations: LINK On first tab, there are Greg´s times from this race, on second tab there are Jose´s times from this race. As you can see down there, Jose has got a difference of few hundreds of a second, but Greg has got difference of 92 seconds, what is, compared to Jose´s difference really not possible. So it happened twice.. coincidence..? I dont think so, you do your thinking. Then, in the google drive document are also tabs 3, 4 and 5 from another race. Link to that race is up in the tabs. There are recalculated times of Daniels, Buck and Rolph from the same race. During this race, it looked like ther was an server issue happening, because all of them has got 20s difference in the times. So I think, when there is server issue, everyone is having the same time difference, not only one guy, and not twice in two different races.... I would like to see Greg´s replay from one of the races where he had the 90s difference in times, but what can I expect.. he will say that he dont have them, so... same as during some court, he should be able to defend himself and show some proofs that I am not right, but I am still putting here more and more proofs to my theory... Other than this, I dont know if you want me to cheat or what, to test that software and see how it will show up in the results.. We also added this topic to official AC forums to see some other opinions. |