09-14-2017, 07:02 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-14-2017, 07:03 PM by simracingsystem.)
I will start this clarification post by saying that all complains against other drivers should be done using the protest form!
There are several reasons why things should be done that way but the most important one, is that we take SRS seriously!
We provide a good service and expect nothing less than your best behaviour inside and outside the tracks.
No need to remind you all that we are the Judges here and that your task ends when you submit the protest!
There were several reports on SRS chat of a strange occurrence on the Porsche GT3 Cup held saturday 09/09/2017 20:00 GMT that led into a post made by Marek Vons accusing another driver of cheating. This post was immediately hidden for the reasons mentioned above. Cheating is one the most, if not the most, serious charges that someone can be accused of. We have all agreed to use our names, so another good reason to do things the right way.
The driver accused of cheating was Greg Daniels.
I will now expose the facts and in the end, I'll include the original post from Marek (without links to softwares, individuals or companies that destroy what we do here every day) and Gregs response to the charges.
Note that this will never happen again, this only being done because there is no other alternative other than clarify this publicly.
Facts
Marek and other drivers noticed that during the race, Greg was gaining time even though he was driving slower or sometimes at the same pace as them.
In the end of the race, Greg won with more than 2 mins of advantage to Johnny Verhoeff, second position.
More, the sum of Gregs laptimes gives a total finish time that would place him in third position. aprox: 1:02:28
So, in Gregs PC he was doing the right laptimes but everyone else was seeing him accelerated.
It is clear that something wasn't right and the possibility of cheating was real even though it would a very stupid kind of cheat.
Gregs response to the accusations
Greg refuted the accusations. He also made his computer available for any check that we would find necessary. Simraces since 2010 and is an admin of SimRacing-Maniacs and has never been accused of such charges.
His laptimes were similar to the ones made on the race the day before.
We have checked his iRacing career, it's legit, and we did not found suspicious events on his simracing career either.
Possible causes
Cheating is always an explanation for what happened...
Another possibility is that it was caused by server problems. We have seen this in first hand, several episodes of wierd behaviour including losing laps and changings on the final standings. Even though it would be the first time we see something like this during a full race, I can't say it is impossible to happen...
Veridict
Greg will be placed third place on that race.
Accusation is dropped. Benefit of the doubt is applied.
This case is closed.
Mareks Post
Gregs Response
There are several reasons why things should be done that way but the most important one, is that we take SRS seriously!
We provide a good service and expect nothing less than your best behaviour inside and outside the tracks.
No need to remind you all that we are the Judges here and that your task ends when you submit the protest!
There were several reports on SRS chat of a strange occurrence on the Porsche GT3 Cup held saturday 09/09/2017 20:00 GMT that led into a post made by Marek Vons accusing another driver of cheating. This post was immediately hidden for the reasons mentioned above. Cheating is one the most, if not the most, serious charges that someone can be accused of. We have all agreed to use our names, so another good reason to do things the right way.
The driver accused of cheating was Greg Daniels.
I will now expose the facts and in the end, I'll include the original post from Marek (without links to softwares, individuals or companies that destroy what we do here every day) and Gregs response to the charges.
Note that this will never happen again, this only being done because there is no other alternative other than clarify this publicly.
Facts
Marek and other drivers noticed that during the race, Greg was gaining time even though he was driving slower or sometimes at the same pace as them.
In the end of the race, Greg won with more than 2 mins of advantage to Johnny Verhoeff, second position.
More, the sum of Gregs laptimes gives a total finish time that would place him in third position. aprox: 1:02:28
So, in Gregs PC he was doing the right laptimes but everyone else was seeing him accelerated.
It is clear that something wasn't right and the possibility of cheating was real even though it would a very stupid kind of cheat.
Gregs response to the accusations
Greg refuted the accusations. He also made his computer available for any check that we would find necessary. Simraces since 2010 and is an admin of SimRacing-Maniacs and has never been accused of such charges.
His laptimes were similar to the ones made on the race the day before.
We have checked his iRacing career, it's legit, and we did not found suspicious events on his simracing career either.
Possible causes
Cheating is always an explanation for what happened...
Another possibility is that it was caused by server problems. We have seen this in first hand, several episodes of wierd behaviour including losing laps and changings on the final standings. Even though it would be the first time we see something like this during a full race, I can't say it is impossible to happen...
Veridict
Greg will be placed third place on that race.
Accusation is dropped. Benefit of the doubt is applied.
This case is closed.
Mareks Post
(09-09-2017, 10:09 PM)Marek Vons Wrote: Hello guys, some interesting thing for today, have a nice reading.
Until now, I never believed that there can be cheats in Assetto Corsa, but after today, I see that I was wrong. And I am sick of this.
So, in todays GT3 Euro, after the qualifying, I was third etc., and some guy named Greg Daniels was like 5th or maybe 6th or whatever, doesnt matter.
But, what happened in the race, was so obvious as a cheating as nothing. Everything was going well, somehow I became 1st in the first lap and I was in the lead for few laps, I didnt expect to stay there for too long because Johnny and Gianmarco were faster than me, but then I saw that Greg Daniels is behind me and catching me with a big speed, okay, could be.. but! When he overtook me, he was so much faster on the straight that it was impossible for me. I was watching it for few laps, and then I saw it. In the lap, when Greg overtook me, he made a time 1:33.5 and I did 1:33.1, what is clearly impossible in the lap where he overtook me!! Okay I said, maybe I didnt see well and maybe he did better time, but NO! It is also in the results.
Then, I kept looking at the times, meanwhile I went down to 4th place. NOW WATCH THIS. Gianmarco was probably 2nd or 3rd and he was doing lap times around 1:31-1:32, while Greg was doing laps around 1:33. And what is interesting about this? Gianmarco was much faster than Greg in every lap, but Greg was getting away from Gianmarco by 1.5s a lap!! Me, Gianmarco and others were using also pitboard app. We were doing faster times than Greg, but pitboard was showing that Greg is getting away from us with 1.5-2s per lap, what is clearly impossible.
To prove this theory right, me and my friend Jozef from the race, took the time to calculate the lap times of Greg and compare them with his finish time. Result? He is missing around 100 seconds in the result!! What is more than one lap time!
Here is a google drive document LINK HERE which you have to check. It is copied results from the race we did and we added there column D, which is only calculated time to seconds. For example, the first lap he did was 1:44.848, so it means that in column D is 104,848 seconds. Like this, we wrote there all the lap times in seconds and then we calculated the finish time on the bottom by making a sum from his lap times:
Sum of the lap times from the results is then: 3748,405 seconds = 1:02:28:405
The finish time up in the results is showing: 3649,6 seconds = 1:00:49.600
Difference in the times is then: -98,805 seconds
What means that there are 98,805 seconds missing in the official results of the race. What also means that Greg was cheating and he has hidden these seconds by cheating!!
After a little search, which took like 3 seconds with adding into google "" we found this cheat:
Pay attention to the readme file of the cheats, found which says, that you can FREEZE the time. By our understanding, it means, that he had some acceleration from this cheat, and thats why he was faster, but somehow, he could manage to hide is accelerated times with this cheat, and it wasnt showing the accelerated times, but the normal times he should be doing. And he should not be first at all, but he had to be far behind the top 3 people.
What I saw, made me sick and disgusted, I would never think, that someone can cheat in cars simulator. But this guy needs to be banned ASAP. I am not taking NO for an answer and if this will not happen and SRS will not understand that he was cheating, I am leaving SRS.
Link for the race results: LINK
Here I am also adding my replay where you can check all this: LINK
And another thing, insult from Greg after the race in the chat: LINK
It would be good to see the reaction of other people from the race and also the reaction of Greg!
Thank you!
Gregs Response
simracingsystem Wrote:Greg Daniels,
You are acused of cheating on the Porsche GT3 Cup race held 09/09/2017 20:00 GMT.
Your final racing time is way inferior to the sum of your laps and several drivers reported that you were gaining time while making laptimes worst than theirs as it is visible on the results.
Do you have anything to say in your defense?
Actually only that I have never done something like that and never would. I have a reputation to lose. I have been running since 2010 Simracing and so I have never done and would not do it. I am Admin of SimRacing-Maniacs.de and I would be pretty stupid if I would destroy my reputation with such a shit. I am founder together with Tim Schneider of SimRacing-Maniacs and would never come to the idea to cheat !!!
I had to drive a lap longer. Although the time had already expired 20-30 seconds. This was very strange. I use an app Z1 Dash for the gasoline calculation and luck in the misfortune I always make for a round more sprit pure. My opinion and my friends who were with me in TeamSpeak, the irgentwas wrong with the time calculation.
I was just as constant as the races before. Please look. I had no more speed on the track than on my other races. I did not fly past anybody, but fought me over.
I was and still am shocked, that I, just I am accused of the cheten. Sure you do not know me. But I know about 100 other drivers and about 50 of them personally, which can all confirm how I react to fraudsters and how I am behind it.
I hate cheaters! and would not do it!
That's why I did not drive an Assetto Corsa for a while. I'm driving in leagues. Where a simracing checker program is running. I do not know what was going on the server. But I have definitely not cheated! It can be very glad to look at my computer. All the people with whom I drive can be consulted.
This with the times kan nich me only explain with the server which is not true. I drove 20-30 seconds after the lap of time over the finish line and took another round. I think the timing is wrong. I have never been accused of fraud. We also have a community and have a tool from simracing-tools.de run all the driver's file as soon as they come to the server. And I've never had a problem with it! Never! I even go with a Porsche Cup. There the tool comes also to the employment.
Gladly I am ready to come on the server with you. That you by Teamviewer look at my PC. And another, because I do not let anything like that happen. Exactly for this reason I have driven almost 1 year no asset, but only iRacing. Because in some couches cheaters are noticed. And so it came out that you can adjust the grip level of the track. But Kunos has fixed it. Thank God.
So as I said, I do not need something like that and would never do it!
I would be very happy about a clearing conversation to make everything out of the world. Because it is not worse for me than CEAHTER / cheat !!!
Have a nice day
Greg
