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5 Golden Rules / Race Briefing
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Thanks again for all the constructive feedback. I think we are onto something very good here.

I would like to add that protests are taking a few weeks to process, which is understandable since SRS is a free service and hosts dozens of races everyday. That is why it is so important that we try to avoid incidents by providing more clear guidelines and applying self penalties, using protest only as a last resource.


(07-21-2019, 07:20 AM)James Blint Wrote:  - Look at your map/mirrors when going out of the pit in quali and people are on their hotlaps, ... 
- In similar way if you are on a outlap, get out of the way (there s no point not doing it, as your time won't count anyway)
- No need to fight on outlaps in general, the smart thing is to try to get space instead. ...
- Also in Quali if you did screw up your lap, get out of the way, if the guy behind is right on your bumper ...

If there s anything simple, illustrated, to go by and put in the guidelines, i would say those 3 would be a good start. I bet most of the incs happen like that, like 75%, and i also bet most of the drivers don't know about them.

Great points James, certainly worth including this as they indeed happen frequently, mostly due to lack of info in my opinion. Well at least that was my case, as once I left the pits and blocked another driver hotlap... He cursed me on the chat, which spoiled the fun of that race for me, and probably for him as well. Certainly could be avoided if this was explained on the regulations or briefing along with tips and recommendations. Now I use the race map to check other car positions relative to me. This is also very usefull when you return to the track after a crash, which should be another topic.

Those are great ilustrated examples and I also bet must drivers don't know that. I just miss the braking point relative position explanation, as this is where it all starts and seems to be the major disagreement point.

(07-21-2019, 02:06 PM)Simon Merritt Wrote:  I agree more in-depth rules and explanation would be helpful. I think alot of the time people make these silly calls due to a lack of experience and knowledge. A written guide along with a couple of instructional videos would be a massive help. Especially if it can be done in manner which forces new members to read and whatch before competing online.

Exactely!

(07-21-2019, 02:09 PM)Pawel Kusmierek Wrote:  
(07-21-2019, 03:29 AM)Luiz Lotito Wrote:  2- I was very surprised to see that this (divebombing) could be acceptable on online races, 
 
Actually it can vary in real life too. I am in a karting league where the rule is "front wheel to real wheel" in general, except on specific track where it is "any overlap"

The key word here is "online". Differently from real life races, online there is no risk of physical or financial harm so drivers are way more aggressive and divebombs are much more frequent requiring different rules. In real life races, our vision, sense of speed, response time (zero lag ping) and situation awareness are much better than on simulations, allowing more precise and close maneuvers. For example, I did many real life go kart races where I did not miss any braking point, while I usually miss at least a couple on each simulation race. 

(07-21-2019, 03:28 PM)Russell Sobie Wrote:  In online racing, it should probably be any overlap since  it is highly unlikely you'll be able to accurately assess what the server is actually seeing as far as relationship between cars. I pretty much just give a line to someone if Helicorsa lights up before I start my turn in.

You just solved the issue you pointed, bringing up a great idea. It is very hard to see where the other driver is during a dispute, so it should be officially recommended to use helicorsa or any similar app to help you choose your line on SRS races otherwise you will have major blind spots and cause many accidents. In my case, if I see in Helicorsa that the front of the other car has passed my rear (yellow warning), I leave space for him. If he is just behind me, I will take my normal line and hit the appex - if he dives in, we will crash. That's why it is critical that we know that rules are we playing by.


(07-21-2019, 06:52 PM)Maciek Sobczak Wrote:  Divebombing done with skill however, is both safe and makes one`s opponent stay marooned on the outside.

That is like saying that it is ok to drive drunk, as long as you don't cause any accident. Divebombing is never safe. Yes, some very skilled drivers can brake later and hold their inside line, and some have done that on me and I did not protest, but you got to earn the respect to break that rule and get away with it.


(07-21-2019, 07:18 PM)Pawel Kusmierek Wrote:  Out of curiosity, do you guys think this was a legal move or a divebomb (a defensive not offensive one, but still). From 0:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D-n_dUzEtM

First, we need to define dive bombing. As there seems to be no official definition, in my opinion it is: 
1-your car is behind the other car at the braking point  
2-you take the inside line and brake later than your normal braking point  
3-you are unable to hold the inside line throughout the corner 
4-you crash onto the other car on the outside line

So, we checked 1, 2 and 3, but cleared 4. However, the only reason there was no crash was because the other driver did brake more and earlier, giving away his position. That is why it is so important to make the rules clear: if the other driver was not expecting a dive bomb, he would go for the apex and you would crash onto him. 

That doens't mean I would protest on this one though, because there was no crash, it seemed to be a lot of fun and things can get rough towards the end of the race  Big Grin  .  I still think dive bombing, as a rule, should not be allowed.
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5 Golden Rules / Race Briefing - by Luiz Lotito - 07-18-2019, 08:02 PM
RE: 5 Golden Rules / Race Briefing - by Luiz Lotito - 07-22-2019, 05:10 PM
RE: 5 Golden Rules / Race Briefing - by Kees Post - 08-01-2019, 07:15 PM

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