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General discussion on setups from a beginner - Andrea Piovanelli - 01-09-2021 Today I was playing with setups, trying some "very effective pro setup" I found on a Youtube video, promising impressive lap times at Spa (2:16, my best laps are around 2:25 - yeah, quite slow). As a total ignorant, and a bit lazy too, I expected to take my timing down a little (definitely not to 2:16, of course), but with my partial surprise the "pro setup" is a nightmare to drive. That's something I already noticed in the past, with a couple of setups kindly shared by the experienced drivers in this community, but I somehow fell again for it. Ok, I try to explain a little more: it's not really been a "nightmare" to drive, but all that oversteer in the hand of the youtuber looked quite easy to manage and, in the end, in my hands that setup gave me less than a second advantage on my best times, losing a lot of safety / consistency because of how difficult was to keep the car steady, especially in fast turns (which are key in that track). Anyway, I'm losing the subject of the thread like my Mercedes at Eau Rouge (and I'm writing it myself!), so I conclude with a beginner suggestion from beginners: don't trust too much a pre-built setup of a very experienced driver, because you're probably going to have a worse performance than the one you get from your safe, "stability first", setup. I'm trying to work on that for now, and I humbly suggest you do the same, even if the effect of some of the options and how to apply them to a specific track is not completely clear to me, yet (bumps, rebounds, ... I'm looking at you, mostly). Any consideration from the drivers who have raced for years? RE: General discussion on setups from a beginner - Donnchadh MacGarry - 01-09-2021 (01-09-2021, 06:02 PM)Andrea Piovanelli Wrote: so I conclude with a beginner suggestion from beginners: don't trust too much a pre-built setup of a very experienced driver, because you're probably going to have a worse performance than the one you get from your safe, "stability first", setup.I pretty much agree with this bit, as a beginner you do not need to focus on setups at all and in fact downloading ones by someone who is setting records on RSR or whatever might be
RE: General discussion on setups from a beginner - Andrea Piovanelli - 01-10-2021 As always, you're really helpful. Yes, I'm focusing on driving and doing very little changes to setup (abs, tc and sometimes tyre pressure). This thread had the purpose to share my negative experience and you nailed the intention by sharing yours. Thanks again! RE: General discussion on setups from a beginner - Ilmari Ylitalo - 01-10-2021 Donnchadh already explained these things, but here's my 5 cents: Easiest things you could/should always adjust: -tire pressures. Do a couple of hard laps, you wanna have your pressures "on the green" after that. -Brake power: If you lock up a lot, consider reducing the power. It only means you need to press brake more to lock up. -Brake balance: in brief, move the balance forwards until you stop sliding your rear on hard brakings too much. A little goes a long way here. -Aero/wings: try to find a balance that you can take corners easy but too much is costly on the straight line speed. Generally you wanna adjust both front and rear, as more wing in the front needs more wing in the back for balance. If the ratio is not right, you get too much oversteer and slippy rear, or too much understeer. -ABS is not usually very important, maximum (= value 1) is mostly fine. try reducing if you want the car to turn in better on braking. -Traction control: Some cars manage corners a lot better if you allow a little bit of slipping. Value 1 usually means understeering car when on throttle. Experiment! -Differential is worth experimenting with if you have trouble spinning the (RWD) car on corner exits. RE: General discussion on setups from a beginner - Tadej Župevc - 01-10-2021 I agree with everything the Donny and Ilmari said, i'll just add a few more things. I often tried setups from other very fast racers, and i found them hard to drive, or i simply didn't like it. The setup must be adjusted to your driving style, by that i mean how fast you turn in, how fast you want to accelerate out of the corner, and also what lines you take. However, you can learn a lot by looking at a "pro" setup to get a general idea on some parameters. I suggest reading this to learn how different setups work: https://www.racedepartment.com/threads/assetto-corsa-car-setup-guides.99049/?fbclid=IwAR2Ub5fFddugHqcG0a2rmgjWcUqbulAfXt8rJuLcPtDZJXLgtOS6uxBoxuM Besides knowing what your car is doing (under/oversteering, or just being unstable), you must know when it is doing it, for example, if your car understeers into a corner, the causes are different than if your car understeers on corner exit. You must also know, if it's doing it in slow or fast corners - for example, if you're oversteering on corner exit, in slow corners, you must decrease power diff, but you must incerase it in fast corners. Also, making a really good setup takes a lot of time, but it's possible to get a good base quickly. One more thing that might help you, when i was a noob, i really struggled with default differential settings. With 90% of car/track combos in AC, i like to do an "indy" setup, i set power diff really low, and set coast diff quite high, then reduce it until my car starts spinning on braking. RE: General discussion on setups from a beginner - Michal Ringes - 01-10-2021 they can really do only 1 hotlap after many attempts ? well that is really quite big understimation of the skill and time involved. Also there is experienced drivers and Experienced drivers, even if you drive for few years, you will have very hard time keeping up with someone who has driven milions of km's chasing world records, especially in those cars they like a lot (also they can do more than 1 lap ). The reason begginers have problems with those setups is mostly pretty simple, they are used to very understeery setups with too much aero because at first glance those are easier to drive and control, and when they get properly set car they just feel it oversteers too much and reacts too fast and are not able to handle it because they are used to something totally different (but in fact its the driver who is just driving the car wrong, getting way too agressive, givin too much gas, or turning way too abrupt and such). Also understeer really kills speed, car that is not turning is never going to be fast. That combined with some mistakes that begginers tend to do a lot(braking too late for example) will result in massive time difference (you gain 0.05s when beggining braking, you cant turn the car, you loose 0.5s midcorner because you have to slow down way too much, you are on super wrong line and you have to turn a lot more to get the car trough the corner, and on the next straight you loose another 0.5s because you are slow exiting the corner). Also there is nothing like perfect setup for a car, this will differ wildly depending on the way you drive (well there are some extremelly broken cars where some absurd setups will get you clear advantage, f310 for example) RE: General discussion on setups from a beginner - Tim Cullingworth - 01-10-2021 (01-10-2021, 03:07 PM)Ilmari Ylitalo Wrote: -ABS is not usually very important, maximum (= value 1) is mostly fine. try reducing if you want the car to turn in better on braking. One thing to be aware of, is that AC uses 1 on ABS and TC to mean the most active setting and the higher numbers to mean closer to off. As for using other peoples setups, I had a racer kindly send me his setup, only to find that it was almost un-drivable as it was so twitchy. It later turned out that he was using a game controller, and I was on a wheel. RE: General discussion on setups from a beginner - Donnchadh MacGarry - 01-10-2021 (01-10-2021, 06:14 PM)Michal Ringes Wrote: they can really do only 1 hotlap after many attempts ? well that is really quite big understimation of the skill and time involved. Also there is experienced drivers and Experienced drivers, even if you drive for few years, you will have very hard time keeping up with someone who has driven milions of km's chasing world records, especially in those cars they like a lot (also they can do more than 1 lap ).I think what I meant more was that the absolute record pace can only be done once, the fastest and best guys can still go incredibly close to that pace for many laps in a row. Also in some cases the setup might be designed to only last a very short period of time, like using max turbo on the 80's F1 cars. I haven't driven the Lotus 98t except for a few casual laps a while back, but I seem to remember seeing on the forums from a past series that using max turbo would cause the engine to break within a few laps. So a hotlap setting for turbo couldn't be used in the race setting even by the very best drivers for example. I could be wrong on that of course. |