10-15-2018, 09:54 PM
It seems as if it understeered way too much, but the worst for me were the brakes. At some point I was running 79% brake bias @ 96% power, but yet I still managed to block my rear tyres
Seat Leon TCR
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10-15-2018, 09:54 PM
It seems as if it understeered way too much, but the worst for me were the brakes. At some point I was running 79% brake bias @ 96% power, but yet I still managed to block my rear tyres
10-16-2018, 06:40 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-16-2018, 06:47 AM by Michael Martin.)
Dzintars I'm guessing your from RD.
I suggest you read up about the mods. This uses real data from current cars.(I've seen it) not to mention constant input from a current TCR driver. Yes I know you have driven a stripped out road car on track which is different to a race car. Leaving on a positive I had a great race. Kept out of trouble and a good result. Dennis the rears will always lock on this type of car. I went the same way with brakes to make it easier to drive.
Shaun Clarke Racing (Previously TPCSimRacing) driver and painter.
https://www.facebook.com/PlankLiveries
10-16-2018, 07:32 AM
With which bit John?
Shaun Clarke Racing (Previously TPCSimRacing) driver and painter.
https://www.facebook.com/PlankLiveries
10-16-2018, 09:37 AM
(10-16-2018, 07:32 AM)Michael Martin Wrote: With which bit John?
10-16-2018, 11:23 AM
The data gets you close and then a current tcr driver drives it and gives feedback. Tweaks made after this.
I was referring to your braking situation with lifted rear wheel. Yes its extreme with the default setup but easily changed as you would in real life. The default setup is just that. Moving it forwards removed the issue of the rears locking. I'd never discredit anybody with experience. Just saw the i've driven on track argument coming. And wanted to say there is a difference between a club level car (£thousands) and a full on touring car(£ hundred thousand). Maybe i should have been clearer. I have limited track experience ford fiesta/focus st . Never got a chance to take my 172 round a track.
Shaun Clarke Racing (Previously TPCSimRacing) driver and painter.
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10-16-2018, 12:05 PM
I don't want to have an argument. Its subjective anyhow. But, it was a fixed setup race last night and I had 77% front bias. When I braked I was only applying around 80% pressure on the pedal and the rear was coming around as if I'd pulled the handbrake up. Its borked.
You move the bias around a lot in an FWD touring/cup car as you're balancing the tyre temps/wear during a race. But at 77% front bias it simply should not lock the rears when in a straight line. And I'm not discrediting Sean and his TCR driver input. But, I trust Kunos more and if you compare it to the Audi TT Cup the handling is very different. They are almost the same platform. (they actually used the TT cup in the first year of TCR) (Top tip to demonstrate in real life what I'm talking about: In your 172, you have ABS. Pull the ABS fuse and this will change the brake bias to 50/50. Find a safe place to drive in a straight line, brake as hard as you can and it will brake exactly like the Leon was braking last night)
10-16-2018, 12:34 PM
Not an argument, healthy discussion.
Just to cover your ass I wouldn't suggest anybody does what you suggest with the clio. It has potential for a large accident. PS. Don't have it anymore
Shaun Clarke Racing (Previously TPCSimRacing) driver and painter.
https://www.facebook.com/PlankLiveries
10-16-2018, 01:10 PM
(10-16-2018, 12:34 PM)Michael Martin Wrote: Not an argument, healthy discussion. I did a trackday in zandvoort in my old ph1 172 and one of my abs rings cracked. Let's just say it was a lively session.
10-16-2018, 02:30 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-16-2018, 02:34 PM by Shaun Clarke.)
TCR Cars don't lock there rear wheels.....really....ok explain this then? Fast forward to 36 seconds and 2min:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZcA3Oo-Xn0&t=152s Yes I agree, you cannot simply take the data and "dump" it but then again, I had this comment back, from a Racing Engineer who drove the real car, and then compared mine. "Our engineer just showed me the data of the real car compared to the laps he did in Assetto Corsa. Doesn’t differ much. Very impressive I must say. That means you did an awesome job with the physics" Regards Shaun |
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