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How do you deal with (or prevent) being involved in other peoples' accidents? - Nick Catsoudas - 08-11-2019
I'm so sorry if the question is dumb, but it does come from a place of genuine frustration and caring, and I'm sorry if this comes out a bit ramble-y but I just have to ask. It is really deflating to practice the track-car combo during my free time, figuring out fuel/tyre strategies, tweaking setups, finding those extra hundredths and come race-time, someone 2-3 seconds up the road does something dumb, crashes out, spins back onto the track (or re-enters unsafely) and takes out me and usually the people who are following.
Here's some storytime: Had an awful qualifying. Wanted to risk it and try out a new setup I had but the gamble just didn't work, leaving me with no time to change and go back onto the track to try again. Started 13th but thankfully my race pace was a lot better than quali and got myself up to 9th in the first 3-4 laps, following and catching up with 8th and 7th who were about to battle for position (Track by the way was Spa), with 6th just a bit further up. We come up to corner Paul Frere with me being about 2 seconds behind and barely 10 minutes into the 60 minute race, 8th decides that pass to 7th is so urgent and important that they go side to side through Blanchimont almost flat-out (dumb move with GT3 level downforce cars unless the outside car decides to give up and go wide and lose a bunch of time). Naturally the car with the inside line slides into the outside car and they both spin out the track. Both try to save the unsaveable and instead end up right in the middle of the track where me and the guy following (10th) come by almost full speed and get absolutely destroyed. 11th who is a bit further back then gets to drive away with 4 free places. Suspension damage is so bad I ended up in the pits and DNF'd. :| And this example is not the first time this has happened to me in my short time here. A big majority of my incident points is from stuff like this.
So, with all that said what do you do to try and minimize your chances of getting involved in such an unforseeable event (other than reflexes) when you did absolutely nothing wrong other than being there at that time. I know the whole joke that some people are just incident magnets, but I just want to keep it clean and on the road, haha. That absolutely does not undo all the fun I've had racing with some really awesome people on this amazing platform, that has to be said!
Like I said though, it's just deflating to practice alot, and then for the race to end so undignified, because I did have the pace to comfortably get 6th and maybe even a top 5 finish if everything went my way.
Again, sorry for rambling here a bit, I would love to hear what you all have to say.
Thanks!
(P.S: I was on Split 1 by the way.)
RE: How do you deal with (or prevent) being involved in other peoples' accidents? - Pawel Kusmierek - 08-11-2019
Well in my opinion one thing you can do is file a protest against either 7th or 8th, or both.
Other than that, as in all racing. If you see in front of you a situation that can go sideways, you can (1) just keep going and hope that they won't crash, or you can (2) assume they will crash and brake to avoid. This of course puts you in danger of losing your position to the 10th and 11th, especially if the 7th and 8th managed no to crash. Tough choice between (1) and (2), but I want to point out that you chose (1) and lost your P9 anyway.
Also because these cars are made of pixels, and in case of crash nobody gets hurt, nobody has to spend $100k to fix things, nobody loses their contract and job, and people racing are amateurs, risky situations will end badly more often than IRL... so probably it's usually safer to back off, to chose (2) over (1).
RE: How do you deal with (or prevent) being involved in other peoples' accidents? - Nick Catsoudas - 08-12-2019
(08-11-2019, 11:43 PM)Pawel Kusmierek Wrote: Well in my opinion one thing you can do is file a protest against either 7th or 8th, or both.
Other than that, as in all racing. If you see in front of you a situation that can go sideways, you can (1) just keep going and hope that they won't crash, or you can (2) assume they will crash and brake to avoid. This of course puts you in danger of losing your position to the 10th and 11th, especially if the 7th and 8th managed no to crash. Tough choice between (1) and (2), but I want to point out that you chose (1) and lost your P9 anyway.
Also because these cars are made of pixels, and in case of crash nobody gets hurt, nobody has to spend $100k to fix things, nobody loses their contract and job, and people racing are amateurs, risky situations will end badly more often than IRL... so probably it's usually safer to back off, to chose (2) over (1).
Yeah, I agree with you that choosing the second option of braking would be better in most situations and I did consider it in the very short time I had to react, but if i did that I would have directly caused the person following close behind to crash into me. I'd feel bad if I caused a second accident and would much rather be the only person affected by the accident in front and have as few casualties as possible, haha.
But yeah, I guess I should start taking the protest form more seriously in future.
RE: How do you deal with (or prevent) being involved in other peoples' accidents? - Pawel Kusmierek - 08-12-2019
Yes, if someone was on your rear bumper then even lifting could have caused a crash between you and P10. No good solution, I am afraid.
I have also admit that I myself was once in a crash similar to the 7&8th crash you described. We went into Blanchimont side by side - well that's what happens, we are racers and we don't like backing off ;-). I was on the inside, I did tap my brakes and still went wide (no downforce on these cars), the outside guy did not tap his brakes and went super wide. I mean, I was within the green strip on the outside, he was all the way out on the black shoulder.
It might have ended well but he was slightly ahead on the exit (because he did not brake at all), I guess he thought that he was all the way in front of me, and he turned hard back onto the track while there was still overlap between us. Of course that resulted in a big crash, involving me out of control traversing the track (partially my fault here, after the crash he was sideways blocking me, I was desperately trying to somehow get through and power-spun on the grass, rookie mistake
). Fortunately there was no one behind us so we only harmed ourselves.Because he turned back onto the track while there was overlap (and he did not have to, we still had a lot of hard shoulder in front of us to sort it out), I reported him but it was deemed a racing incident. I still have the video, but I won't post it here because it shows his name and would violate the "do not discuss specific incidents" rule. (if you want to see it for any reason, feel free to PM me)
RE: How do you deal with (or prevent) being involved in other peoples' accidents? - Jack Thompson - 08-12-2019
I was in that GT2 race yesterday but with situations like that I think your best option is to ease off the throttle / brake a little bit and just hope for the best. Sometimes you will get past the accident without contact and gain multiple positions... sometimes you will get caught up in the crash and it will ruin your race.
As Pawel mentioned previously, people are willing to risk it a lot more in simracing as there aren't any negative consequences like there would be in an IRL race (loss of championship points, cost of damage to car, etc.) so you will often get people going 2-into-1.
(08-11-2019, 09:43 PM)Nick Catsoudas Wrote: I did have the pace to comfortably get 6th and maybe even a top 5 finish if everything went my way.I was the guy racing in 6th and I felt quick with my pace so it's a shame you did get caught up in that accident as I would have loved to battle you!
I'm going to continue competing the 1h races so hopefully I will get the chance to battle you in the Ginettas Nick, and we can see who has the pace!
Edit: Footage of that crash was mostly caught on the SRS Livestream, timestamp at 31:12 here: https://youtu.be/qN6B6XPrJiw?t=1872
RE: How do you deal with (or prevent) being involved in other peoples' accidents? - Nick Catsoudas - 08-12-2019
(08-12-2019, 03:49 AM)Pawel Kusmierek Wrote: Because he turned back onto the track while there was overlap (and he did not have to, we still had a lot of hard shoulder in front of us to sort it out), I reported him but it was deemed a racing incident. I still have the video, but I won't post it here because it shows his name and would violate the "do not discuss specific incidents" rule. (if you want to see it for any reason, feel free to PM me)
Nice of you to offer, but it's alright, you don't have to bother with uploading videos and such, I think I understand what went down
(08-12-2019, 10:41 AM)Jack Thompson Wrote: I'm going to continue competing the 1h races so hopefully I will get the chance to battle you in the Ginettas Nick, and we can see who has the pace!
I will definitely be doing the Ginetta Supercup this season, see you on track then! (probably gonna be doing the weekend 911 GTA races too)
RE: How do you deal with (or prevent) being involved in other peoples' accidents? - Pawel Kusmierek - 08-12-2019
Sure :-). I only offered because the video had been already uploaded for the purpose of the purpose and is sitting on youtube!
What is really satisfying in simracing is that you encounter people who really care about doing it right, with whom you go 2 into a corner, and you leave each other space and survive and continue fighting.
This video I can post - and I probably have already, but it keeps amazing me. Two abreast into Eau Rouge/Radillon, and we did it very nicely, respected each other's space and kept going. And this was an open multiplayer race in PC2, normally you expect the worst from people in those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0UMolOztnY
RE: How do you deal with (or prevent) being involved in other peoples' accidents? - Nick Catsoudas - 08-12-2019
(08-12-2019, 11:44 AM)Pawel Kusmierek Wrote: Sure :-). I only offered because the video had been already uploaded for the purpose of the purpose and is sitting on youtube!
What is really satisfying in simracing is that you encounter people who really care about doing it right, with whom you go 2 into a corner, and you leave each other space and survive and continue fighting.
This video I can post - and I probably have already, but it keeps amazing me. Two abreast into Eau Rouge/Radillon, and we did it very nicely, respected each other's space and kept going. And this was an open multiplayer race in PC2, normally you expect the worst from people in those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0UMolOztnY
Always exciting to see happening especially in such iconic corners. Saw plenty of these kind of overtakes this year in the Spa 24h!
RE: How do you deal with (or prevent) being involved in other peoples' accidents? - Thomas Chevalier - 08-12-2019
Guess what happened to you is pretty similar what happened to me a while back. https://streamable.com/xjdrh
If i had taken it easy and gone on the brake i probably would have made it but i thought i could make it past the incident and hoped the guys would just crash into the walls and stayed there. Instead i ran straight into them and lost probably more spots than if i had braked and taken it easy.
RE: How do you deal with (or prevent) being involved in other peoples' accidents? - Nick Catsoudas - 08-12-2019
(08-12-2019, 02:55 PM)Thomas Chevalier Wrote: Guess what happened to you is pretty similar what happened to me a while back. https://streamable.com/xjdrh
If i had taken it easy and gone on the brake i probably would have made it but i thought i could make it past the incident and hoped the guys would just crash into the walls and stayed there. Instead i ran straight into them and lost probably more spots than if i had braked and taken it easy.
Yep, sounds about right, haha